Submitted: Tue, Mar 30, 2004 10:40 pm
Subject: Question

Hi Peniel,

I've been reading you book and am moved by your conversation with Jesus, however, I just read the 3rd page in your book and it mentioned that "this novel is a work of fiction..." What gives? I'm confused, but I do want to find myself. I'll keep reading!

Dave

Submitted: Thu, Apr 01, 2004 11:19 am
Subject: Re: Question

Dave,

Wonderful to hear from you! Thank you for reading the book (although I really don't claim to be the 'author' - per se. Jesus did all of the really beautiful words in it, I just wrote down what He said!)

I feel both joyous and blessed because you said that you were 'moved' by my conversations with Jesus. I too always did and always do feel very 'moved' when He speaks. His voice is both comforting and beckoning... and His words are always simple, clear and powerful. I suspect that most people recognize this, and the powerful impact that His words often have on people is exactly what you describe as being 'moved'.

Forgive me for being so verbose, but when someone like yourself allows me to speak about Jesus, love, life, relationships, or something similar that Jesus has instructed me about in order to help others... well, my heart fills with such joy that the words often just pour out of me and seems to never end. Sometimes I have to stop myself and say, "Hey, jerk - he just asked a simple question and you are replying with a three page soap-box dissertation on life and love!"

First, as far as your question regarding the 'Publisher's Blurb' - about this being a work of 'fiction':
My publishers knew full well that I BELIEVE and proposed that this is NOT fiction, but fact. It really happened. These conversations actually took place (albeit a long time ago - in 1979). I did not even know that blurb was going to be in their page until after it was published. Their explanation for the blurb is that although they understood I proposed this as NON-FICTION book, they put that blurb in there intentionally -- 'For Legal Purposes'. (Whatever that means exactly...) I suspect that it has something to do with their willingness or 'condoning' or 'proposing' that this book is what I (the author) claim that it is, and they are not legally able or prepared to do that.

It is not really a big deal. Regardless of what 'blurb' the publishers put in there, I am very clear throughout the entire book that this was real and actually happened. (As a matter of a fact, most people after reading the book understand that it would probably have been impossible for a simple man like myself to have come up with such deep wisdom as is proposed in parts of the book, and the way Jesus so clearly and simply explains things is far beyond my ability - and anyone else that I have ever known.)

It's like I said in the introduction to the book... it really doesn't matter if I got this information from God, Jesus, an angel, my imagination, or some cosmic space-surfer -- Jesus told me, "WHAT IS GOOD - Is Good. It should be used as best it can." Jesus has oftentimes illustrated this point to me, and I would feel contemptuous doubting the reasonableness of such wisdom. Also, when I asked Him about the possibility of others rejecting this work because 'I' (a simple and sinful man) wrote it, He explained that those whom He intended to touch with this book will understand that gold and silver do not have their inherit value changed when wrapped in either beautiful silk or an old dirty handkerchief. I can understand His comparison of me as an old dirty handkerchief, and this statement sums up well my views regarding the value of the wisdom within this book.

I have always stood on the wisdom contained within the book as the only claim to authenticity I need. I tell people, "Read the book, and then decide for yourself if I, or any person, could have come up with such profound and simple answers to these perplexing questions, and then to have stated the answers in such a beautiful and simple way that a child could understand most of it! Take what good you find within it and apply it in your own life. This is the purpose for which the book was written, and as an introduction to me, to possibly further assist those whom seek more than this book contains."

Indeed, I have found that most people have god-given 'insight'. They can recognize 'Truth' very easily, and when something rings true to their heart, they know instantly that it MUST be true... I have often heard people comment that this is just exactly how parts of this book struck them. I have also often heard people comment that some part of the book made them cry, and it was some deep truth in it that touched them and got this emotional reaction.

Enjoy reading this intriguing book, and if you have any questions or want to discuss anything at all, please email me. Remember, this book is mainly and introduction to me and what Jesus taught me. He has given me so much more than what is in this first book, and I so desire to share more of what He has given me freely with others. This is my mission in life, to teach others the truth. It is also the source of both my greatest fulfillment and highest joy.

Please allow me the opportunity to assist you with any problems, questions, issues, or just a general discussion if you choose. I am currently in discussion with, assisting, and guiding a variety of people with a wide range of questions, issues, and interests. If you think there is good stuff in the book, you are right! But there is a plethora of things He has taught me to help others with that just couldn't be put in one book. Seek and you shall surely find what you are looking for. I anxiously await your next email, if you choose to continue allowing me to ramble on about what wonderful things Jesus has taught me, hopefully to share some with you.

In closing, you also stated that you really want to 'find yourself'. - Are you so sure that you are now lost? (Think about it!)


May Jesus grant you success, well-being and good fortune and put you eternally in His favor.

Peniel G.G.G.

Submitted: Thu, Apr 01, 2004 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: Question

Hi Peniel,

Thanks for your response and your clarification. I do believe you, I just wanted to be sure and not get sucked in by some strange "fiction novel" Reminds me of my daughter Madi's favorite joke... hey dad (or whoever), look! There’s gullible written on the ceiling!

Let me introduce myself to you, since you've shared some of yourself in your book. My name is Dave Correll, and I live in Faribault, MN.   I have a daughter-Madeline and a son-Samuel. My wife is Ann. We own a small sign business here in town, that we both (Ann & I) work at with one employee. I truly love what I do and feel that strangely this is what I'm meant to do. You can check out our work at www.brushworksigns.com.

Lately, however, we (Ann & I) have been having some marital problems. Ann claims that she no longer feels in love with me. I believe the she still loves me but not in the romantic and connective way that she desires. I do feel that way too, but we love our kids so much that divorce is not the answer. We recently went through the retroville program (a spiritual based program for hurting married couples) and that helped us some but we still have our personality differences to overcome. I'm a guy of few words and she is very outgoing, a women of many words!

I believe, however that I had to go through this hardship to find Jesus again. I had doubts about myself and who I was and how I needed to change so that my wife would fall in love with me again. So one night I was looking for self help books, spiritual help books, etc. and your book looked appealing. So many of my questions were answered through reading your book. I learned most of all to Love myself first...then change will come! not vise versa.

Thank you Peniel for helping me get on the right path and I hope that you and Jesus can guide me in my life. My marriage still has it problems. But I am hopeful that Jesus will help me and Ann find Joy again in our marriage if this is His will.

Although I have many questions to ask, I'll hold off for the next time I write. I'm going to hit the sack and read your book a bit.

Dave

P.S. spellcheck is a good thing!

Submitted: Fri, Apr 02, 2004 3:53 pm
Subject: Peniel's reply to Dave about marital problems

(NOTE: To everyone who receives this on the BCC and CC lists, please read the first page (about the BCC listings) and reply you answers back to me also if you would like to be on the list and be willing to participate also!)

Dave,

Since it looks like we are going to continue our communications with each other (which thrills me), I would like to ask a favor of you, as I do with all those I share with.

I am currently in communication (like I am with you) with many other persons via email - would you possibly be interested in seeing some of what OTHERS are discussion with me and the questions and answers they get? I could set you up on my BCC (Blind Carbon Copy list) and when I respond to their emails you would get a copy for your reading entertainment / possible benefit?

If one of my spiritual discussion pals (like you) asks me, I can always 'NOT CC' certain emails (if they are too personal or private) OR blurb out all personal references (names, email addresses, etc.) as I do with one or two of my pals.

Most of my pals just let me fully share all that they communicate with me (and on a rare occasion they send an email and at the top say 'DON'T BCC THIS" because it has something in it they want private to me only).

As you well know, I do most of the talking in these sessions, and there is usually very little coming from my pals that is 'too personal' to show others. Heck, most of them are in the same boat as you, and often learn a lot from the 'other's' emails that I BCC them on.

Also, if you don't mind, I would like to begin including your emails into my BCC group (that is, when I respond to you, I will BCC the group that is interested in these spiritual discussions.)

DO I HAVE YOUR PERMISSION to both SEND YOU BCCs and allow others to be BCCd on my responses to you?

Remember, I can always block out anything you want blocked (personal) or remove all identity references.

By way of explanation: one of my goals (as a spiritual guide, mystic guru, and pizza chef) has always been to spread the wealth of truth and good information as widely as I can, soas to benefit the most people. You and I have already shared some good stuff that would be helpful to others, and I would like your permission to both start BCCing you on their stuff, AND, to BCC them when I respond to you.

I am going to ask the same thing of most of them in the next few days, and build up the BCC group list some.

I will take what you wrote and comment on it. I will comment on all of it (verbosely, what did you expect) in black (and blue for emphasis) and your text will be in red.
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Thanks for your response and your clarification. I do believe you, I just wanted to be sure and not get sucked in by some strange "fiction novel"

Anytime. I am glad we are clear on it, also.

Reminds me of my daughter Madi's favorite joke... hey dad (or whoever), look! There's gullible written on the ceiling!

Madi, beautiful name! (Looking up, staring at the ceiling…) No, I have been looking for a few minutes and I just don't see it? Maybe it's on YOUR ceiling, not mine. (Now you're supposed to look up!)

Let me introduce myself to you, since you've shared some of yourself in your book. My name is Dave Correll, and I live in Faribault, MN.   I have a daughter-Madeline and a son-Samuel. My wife is Ann. We own a small sign business here in town, that we both (Ann & I) work at with one employee. I truly love what I do and feel that strangely this is what I'm meant to do. You can check out our work at www.brushworksigns.com.

Very neat site! I like the scrolling icons. (I love what I do also. Both my job [a computer engineer and support manager] and my calling: freelance mystic guru and pizza chef.) There are only 2 other employees in the company I work for also!

Lately, however, we (Ann & I) have been having some marital problems.

Join the human race. Man, I have had just about every marital problem you can imagine, BEFORE Jesus came and taught me how to LOVE properly. More later.

Ann claims that she no longer feels in love with me. I believe the she still loves me but not in the romantic and connective way that she desires.

Again, this is very common. LOVE is indeed the key to both your relationship with each other, and EVERY relationship. I find it amazing that you two are at least discussing these issues. Most couples with these common problems are unwilling and unlikely to discuss them with each other. Don't loose that! This ‘loss of the feeling of love' is very common. Let me guess, you have been married for a few years, correct?

Also, there are different ‘levels' of love (more later) and in this is the answer to both her ‘loss of feelings' towards you, AND, the fact that she does still ‘love you' as you indicated.

I, Peniel, am an EXPERT on love, all the aspects of love, the levels of love, how love works, what kills love, what fertilizes love, why love fades, how to express love (the 5 vehicles through which love travels), and many more facets of this most misunderstood YET vital aspect of our lives and relationships! In time, if you are interested, Jesus (through the vehicle of my willing personality) will teach you any and all of the lessons and details and facts about love that He has taught me (and perhaps more, if it is needed.)

Please understand, I am but a common and sinful man, I am not some holy or sacred person. I am the everyday kinda guy you know and meet on the street. I am probably a lot like yourself (and your wife, and your kids.) This is one of the reasons God singled me out for my particular mission, I am just like most everyone else here. However, because He loves me (as He does all of us) AND because I was seeking and willing, He chose me for my special mission to you and all those like you (like me, also): to teach others ‘The Truth'. Not some minor truth, but The Single Truth. This Truth underlies and defines and even explains all other truths. Just because He has spent years teaching me, and I have accepted all that He has taught (and even work hard to live my life by the truths He has shown me), I am still just a man, a simple common sinner.

Okay, now that I have destroyed any ‘pedestal' you might have been thinking about putting me on, let me turn you over to Jesus for some instructions. AGAIN, remember that all of this is filtered and reworded through my limited mind and vocabulary and sometimes the meanings get twisted. Take all that I teach with the proper grains of salt, find what rings true to you, apply and use it in your life and relationships and you will surely begin your path toward perfection. Jesus is anxious to give you some of the information contained in the seminar titled: L.O.V.E. (Love's Object – Various Expressions) as He thinks some of the basics in it will assist you in the easiest and quickest way to improve your relationship with Ann.

Dad, I recommend for your instruction now, Dave who said:

Ann claims that she no longer feels in love with me. I believe the she still loves me but not in the romantic and connective way that she desires.

(Jesus speaks.)

Dave, I am so glad to have this opportunity to help you. So long have I called to you, yet, you do not hear me. I send you so many signs, you usually miss them. No matter, we will use Peniel, as is my will and wish for him.

My son, let me first tell you, I love you! I have chased you for years in attempts to help you and your family, and now that you have been introduced to Peniel, I have access to you. Let me just start by teaching you a little about love, so that you might make some quick improvement, as you desire, in loving your wife more correctly.

My dear son, I have so much I wish to tell you, but let us start with your statements: Ann claims that she no longer feels in love with me. She does! She cannot help herself!

How do I explain all of this without you here face to face and with mere words?

You see, I - Jesus, love you - Dave, through her. It is NOT just her, and therefore – her choice, to love you. I have chosen her as one vessel through which I, Myself, will love you. It is her calling, her mission, and her fulfillment to love you, for I have made her to love you. And, I have chosen you to love her in return. In fact, for each of you, as a married couple, I have actually joined your two souls into one in order to create a more perfect union between both of you and Myself. This joining cannot be undone. The promises you made were made not just to each other, BUT also to Me! And, I will hold you to these promises. Do not think that you might ever stop loving each other, either, for I will never stop loving each of you through the other.

Since I have joined you together as one person in this marriage, I have given each of you a special blessing (as all married couples.) You have each been chosen as the main vessel that I will use to express and give my love to the other. If you refuse to show My love to the other, the other will suffer! For, as it is My will to love them through YOU, and since you have accepted this responsibility when you not only promised, but vowed, that you would love the other, I have decided to use you as My helpmate in loving them.

One day, each of you will stand before me and I will say to you, 'I was feeling down, and you knew this, but you did not comfort me. I was happy, but you would not share in my joy. I was in trouble, and you did not do everything you could for me. I was upset emotionally, and you did not console me. I was angry at you, and you refused to discuss the problem with Me." And you will say, 'Lord, God Almighty, Savior of mine, cross-bearer of all my sins… WHEN did I do any of these things to YOU personally?" and I will surely answer you, 'When you did any and all of these things to that ONE I sent to love you – you did that to ME!"

And I will also say, 'I was sick and you took care of me. I was scared and you protected me. I was in trouble and you assisted me. I was in need of loving, and you loved me. You loved me in a strong and pure way. You loved me even when I didn't feel like accepting your love. You loved me so much that it hurt. When I was unhappy, you were in agony. When I was bothered, you were angry with those that bothered me. When I was weak, you were strong for both of us." And again you will ask, and again I will explain.

Consider this carefully… which of these two above do you chose with your actions to eventually face?

Do you not realize this most important truth regarding your lives together? Do you not know of the terrible responsibility that you have accepted? Sure you do, now. You know that it is my job to love your spouse ‘through' you! Why do you limit the intense love you feel for the other and not express it with the power you feel? Why do you selfishly withhold the love you have for each other when I give you so many opportunities each day to express how much you care about each other?

Be at peace. I know you, well. I understand you situation and your difficulties, I am aware of your issues and feelings, both of you. I wish to help you both to learn to love each other. Remember the early times, how deeply you felt that love for each other? Remember how overwhelming to your senses it was, how it possessed your very soul?

I will assist you both to return to this passionate love, for it is as it should be.

There is so much to teach, and these words are so inadequate, let me give you a few simple tools with which you may improve your love right now, as I continue to teach you (if you will let me.) Let me start with some basics, easily applied by you to love each other better, more intensely, more often, and more purely… if you will!

Dave and Ann, Love has 5 levels:

1.) Acknowledge: I see you, I realize that you exist.

2.) Accept: You do not have to change to be around me, I like you as you are.

3.) Appreciate: I see some of the good that I have in me, also in you.

4.) Admire: I see some good in you that I feel I do not yet possess.

5.) Adore: I see you as ALL-Good, the Highest good, and I WANT YOU!

In truth, my dear children, only level five; adoration, is True love. All of the others are merely true love tainted and stained with human selfishness. There is only one love, adoration, pure and intense, earth-shaking in effect, life-changing in power. It is how you felt and acted toward each other in your early times, remember?

Acknowledge her. Do you truly want to love her more intensely, more purely, more frequently? Use these five steps of love and express them to each other. Tell her, 'I see you and all that you do for me." Acknowledge that she exists! Don't spend your time reading the morning paper while she burns your toast, look at her! Watch her! She has been sent into your life to give you pleasure, for YOU LOVE HER! Enjoy her, see her, watch her, and see how beautiful she is. See how good she is to you. See all of the things she does for you! – Acknowledge her!

Accept her. Know that she is just human; she has faults and frailties. These are not bad or negative; they are part of her personality. These are parts of what makes her who she is. Do not refuse to love her because of what she does; love her for who she is! If she is cooking, is she a cook? If she is cleaning is she now a cleaner-woman? If she is upset is she now a harpy? NO! It does not matter what she DOES, or how she acts, or what she says, you LOVE her because of who she is! And, she is NOT what she does. It does not change her personality when she changes her actions or occupations or feelings or likes or desires… she remains who she is. Do not think negatively about her no matter what she does or says or thinks, for these things are not HER. Accept her, just as she wants to be, and any way she chooses to be. Back her up 100% in all of her decisions, choices, and desires. Tell her that you are ‘with her' as in ‘on the same team'. Let her know that you do accept her as she is, and you love her as she is. Also tell her that no matter how she might change in mind, body, disposition, beliefs, desires, or any ways, you will always love and accept her. Do not require for her to change or ‘be different than she is' in order to be around you and for you to think well of her – Accept her.

Appreciate her. My God, Dave, look what I have done for you! Do you not realize that I created her JUST FOR YOU! Do you not see what a perfect fit, like a glove and hand you two are with each other. Your strengths are an asset she requires. Your weaknesses are her strengths. Your delights and desires are her very attributes! What a perfect woman have I made for you! I know that you know this, USE THIS! Express to her that you know she is the only one for you, for God has made her for you, and beyond your wildest hopes and dreams (and certainly beyond your deserving of it) she has consented to be yours, be with you forever! She is right there to share your joy so that it is doubled in it sharing. In your troubles and woes, she is right there to comfort and console and even assist you, and in this, your sorrow is halved for it is borne by both. In each moment of your life… SHE IS RIGHT THERE! How great and loving I am to have given you such a prize. Not only that, she LOVES YOU! It would have been enough just to let you be with her, the true source of all of your joy, for the rest of your life… but, no, I went so far as to make her love you! She ADORES you! She thinks that you are ‘it'! You have all of these wonderful gifts, talents, and traits that are also in her – recognize the good in her that each of you share! Appreciate her!

Admire her. Do you not realize that she has so much that is good in her that you lack? These special gifts and talents and traits of hers, lacking in you, are not something to be envious of or jealous over. Rather, realize that I have given these good things to her to share with you, and for your enjoyment and benefit. Do you not realize that all of the gifts she has that you lack are there for your benefit? Find those things in her that are lacking in you and express to her how much you admire these qualities. Tell her how much you wish you were like her in this respect. Tell her how important it is that she has this quality, lacking in you, so that together you are still able to have this attribute and use it for your mutual benefit. See those wonderful things I have put in her and withheld from you and tell her how glad you are that she is like she is – Admire her!

Adore her. Do you not remember the early times, the passion, the intensity of emotion, how lost you could get just looking at her! Return again to this pure and intense love for her, for it is right there within you! I have given it to you to show to her, inflamed in passion, earth-shattering in intensity, life-changing in power. Do you not know that this powerful and infinite love you have for her can change not only your own lives, but also the very world itself? Remember as a child the purity and strength of love you had for your parents? You dad was the strongest and smartest guy in the world. Anyone who would say otherwise must be somehow demented or mistaken! Remember how beautiful and what a good cook you mom was? There was no one that was as great as she! This childlike, intense, pure love is exactly the same love as I have given you for your wife. But, you refuse to express it. When you are willing to express it, you limit it. When you do express it, and limit it, you cause her to feel that you don't love her like you ‘used to'. She sees that your expressions of love toward her are lackluster, mild, few and far between. She remembers well how you used to be, how you used to treat her, how you used to think of her! She hasn't changed! She is still exactly who she is. She is still herself, still worth and deserving of all of your love, intense and pure. She is not only deserving, she is wanting! She wants (lacks) your powerful and intense love. It is the source of her joy, to be loved by you, and for that love to be expressed intensely, purely, often, and in a variety of ways. – Adore her!

The reason that you feel that your love for each other has ‘faded' is that you have chosen to refuse to show the deep and intense love that you actually have for each other. You chose this because you have reasons. However, it does not change the fact that you truly do – deeply love each other. I HAVE MADE IT thus, and your choice is NOT whom you will love, only in what ways you will express the love that I have given you towards the other.

There was no ‘reason' for each of you to love the other, for love is beyond mere reason. I chose each of you to love through the other, and you have no choice in this matter. THIS is why you love each other; I love the other through you. Understand how this works, and then you will see your choice more clearly.

Since you cannot help but to love each other, you DO love each other. What you have chosen is to limit the love you show to each other. You have decided that it is not ‘fair' or ‘just' to love the other with intensity and purity because the other has offended you and you now selfishly (although unconsciously) chose to limit your expressions of love toward each other. As Peniel has said, this is very common in long relationships between humans, for you are all a selfish lot.

However, if you will admit to each other that you still ‘HAVE' the love for each other that I implanted within each of you, then, if you desire and choose, I will teach you both how to make that love grow strong again, to flower and bloom, and to make a beautiful place for both of you to share your lives in… as I intended all along.

You see, my beloved children, it is not your fault. You were never taught how to love one another. I am here now to teach you.

Use what I say, and your love for each other will again be expressed as it once was, as it should be, as you want it to be.

You have love for each other, and in reality that love is My Love, loving each of through the other. The main problem is that you are now limiting my desire to love the other with intensity and purity: through you. You are my vessel, the cargo is love, and your mate is the destined port. However, you are not taking on a full cargo, and you are sailing all around instead of going directly to the port. Again, I take the responsibility, for you have not yet been shown how to love.

Love travels through these five vehicles:

1.) Eye contact: (with good feelings in mind while deeply looking into the other's eyes)

2.) Physical touch: hand-holding, hugging, kissing, making love, sitting together, being close with the other

3.) Non-verbal communication: your face and body will tell the truth, while your mouth may attempt deception, and humans are adept at ‘reading' another's body language.

4.) Verbal communication: although low on the list, still an important and vital vehicle for love.

5.) Discipline: Those whom you love, you will desire for their improvement and betterment.

What you may find surprising is that 80 percent of love is expressed through the first vehicle, eye contact, AND, it is virtually impossible to express strong emotion without this vehicle!

Think about it, to really tell the other how much you love them and to express your deep and heart-felt sentiment, you must be looking into their eyes to convey this properly. Words spoken without this vehicle loose their power and impact. The eyes are the windows into your souls; so open your soul for the other to clearly see. When you intend to honestly and deeply express your love to the other, take them in your arms, kiss them tenderly, look them deep in the eyes, and tell them, 'I love you!" They will surely read in your expression the true depth of the love you are intending to share at that moment.

If you wish to show the other the deep love you truly feel for them, think about your happiest time together, let your mind focus on the joy and love you shared in that time, then take the other in your arms, kiss them, look them squarely in the eyes (while smiling in remembrance of the good times) and tell them sincerely how much you love them. DO NOT offer reasons WHY you love them, for reasons are unnecessary. You love them – ‘FOR NO REASON!' and because there is no reason for your love, you love can never fail. You love will never fail, for I will never stop loving the other through you. Now, you may choose to be selfish and stingy and refuse to show the other the love I have sent to you to give to them or, as you so often do, you may taint the pure love I put in your toward the other with your own selfish desires, thus limiting both the intensity and quality of the love you are sharing with the other. And, you may ignore all of the opportunities and various ways in which I offer you to show the other how much I love them through you. But, you can change if you choose!

Begin now, slowly and simply. Let me take you back and walk with both of you along this life's path for a ways. Let me teach you how simple and good it is to love each other. Let me show you the truth about love and relations and your will then have the proper tools to use, as you choose, in loving each other and others.

My darling children, I will let Peniel return here, and remember how much I love each of you, and my desire is for you to express My love to the other through you – please allow Me this and I will again fill your hearts with love, your minds with peace, and you lives with joy.

(Peniel returns.)

Beautiful, Dad – this will help them get started again. OK, on to the rest of your email, much of which Jesus has already touched on above.

I do feel that way too, but we love our kids so much that divorce is not the answer.

This is very wonderful to hear.

We recently went through the retroville program (a spiritual based program for hurting married couples) and that helped us some but we still have our personality differences to overcome.

I am not familiar with that one, but whatever helps, use it! I would like to recommend several of my own seminars and workshops to you; I will get a list of them together and send you. (BTW – Almost everything that Jesus presented above is in one of the workshops, along with a lot more.)

I'm a guy of few words and she is very outgoing, a women of many words!

You see, just as Jesus explained, the finger in the glove. You two ‘fit' together perfectly.

I believe, however that I had to go through this hardship to find Jesus again. I had doubts about myself and who I was and how I needed to change so that my wife would fall in love with me again.

Boy is that true! I have taught hundreds of people, but as far as life-changing decisions like you are looking into, few people will really change until their lives are so bad that they ‘have to change' or go crazy.

So one night I was looking for self help books, spiritual help books, etc. and your book looked appealing.

I would LOVE to get some details from you about this! How did it come about, where did you find the book? How did you find it? Etc. Many times, Jesus arranges some amazing ‘coincidences' or similar things in order to put a true seeker in touch with me. OMGAYTTM is not advertised at all and not available (with the general public) without a little footwork. Jesus appears sometimes to have hidden this book so that I will not be flooded with disciples and students, and therefore not able to give the few the quality of instruction that He intends. One day we may teach the seminars and workshops to the masses – boy would that be great!

So many of my questions were answered through reading your book.

Jesus did a great job in writing that book. I have had some people's lives completely transformed by it. It makes me feel awed that I was allowed to have a part in such an important and powerful work.

I learned most of all to Love myself first...then change will come!, not vise versa.

I am always amazed at how much some people get out of the book. You are absolutely correct; we refuse to love another… until we honestly learn to love ourselves. BOY, I sure hope you continue with me so I can take you through several of the workshops and seminars Jesus and I have written. There is much in them just exactly tailored to do what you need. They will teach you how to once again, love yourself. I have a whole series of seminars in a group entitled 'ITS" (Improvement Training Seminars) and they are instrumental is assisting a willing student to realize just how wonderful, powerful, beautiful and valuable he / she is and to return to the pure and intense love they ‘should' have for themselves – in order that they may then be more able and willing to love God and others.

Thank you Peniel for helping me get on the right path and I hope that you and Jesus can guide me in my life.

The pleasure and joy is all mine, sincerely! You see, to teach others the truths that Jesus has shown me is not only my mission in life, it is the root source of both my joy and my fulfillment. If you knew how ‘high' I get when Jesus comes and starts teaching one of you through me, well, if it were any better it'd probably be illegal!

As you can probably tell, if you get me started talking about the things Dad has taught me to help others to learn: life, love, relationships, marriage, joy, children, etc. I will jump up on my verbosity soapbox and won't come down till my fingers bleed from typing. I wish that you could be ‘here' face to face to get more from all of this, but this is as it is. I accept it. I am also quite sure that Jesus will take most of the material in these emails and create some new seminars and workshops from them and expand on the current ones with them also.

My marriage still has it problems, but I am hopeful that Jesus will help me and Ann find Joy again in our marriage if this is His will.

I suspect that with the above ‘excerpts' from L.O.V.E. that He presented, you have a start on this. Know for absolute certainty, He and I both want for your marriage not only to return to the joy you both once shared, we desire that you learn the truths about love and life so that your marriage will be more joyous that ever before. You will come to such a deep appreciation and understanding of each other and life itself, that you lives will be filled with so much peace and joy that your cups will overflow, and all those around you will benefit from that which spills over. Many will see you and say, 'My God, how much they love each other! I wish our marriage was so good and so strong." Perhaps you will share with some of them the tools and truths you were given. Perhaps you will recommend them to Peniel for possible guidance. I do know that God has wonderful things destined for both of you – IF, you will only accept His gifts and use them wisely! Please allow me the joy and pleasure and fulfillment of guiding you back to the life of love and joy that you both want, deserve and need! THIS is what God wants for you, and now that you have found me (albeit such an unworthy vessel) you can surely find your course again, and all else that you desire.

Although I have many questions to ask, I'll hold off for the next time I write.

BRING THEM ON – BUDDY! I have so much to teach you, so much that I know can help you, so much that cannot be addressed at once. I long for your questions, LOTS of them, all of them. Hold nothing back, seek everything you want. Follow what truths you find in my responses, learn all that you can.

For your benefit, in closing, I have designed for you - YOUR PERSONAL PRAYER (for now). I strongly urge you to print it out, read it several times a day, make it real for yourself, and follow its instructions as best you can.

Dave's Prayer:

Dear God, I love you. I know that you love me. I know that you want to help me, and I need you, Father. I have made a mess of things, and I am sorry. I want to return to the joyous and good life I once had. Please help me. I realize that this mess is of my own doing. Dad, give me courage and strength as I do battle with this demon that has beset my life. I recognize now, this demon in me. He seeks my ruin and my unhappiness. He wants my damnation. He is not I, but I let him in. I gave him control. BUT NO MORE! Demon, BE GONE! I refuse to allow you to ruin my marriage! I refuse to let you make me feel badly towards my wife. I refuse to let you run my life and make me mediocre, because I am GREAT! (Just ask my wife…) I refuse to allow you to continue interfering with my life, my family, my love, and any aspect of my life. You will not succeed! You will not drag me down to just living a shell of a life, a lie wrapped in security, hatefulness wrapped in jealousy, unhappiness wrapped in acceptability. I am a MAN! I will be what God wants and intends me to be. I will love my god-given wife with intensity and persistence, with passion and power, in every way I know and any way I can find. I will make her feel so appreciated and admired that she will blossom like a flower from the flood of joy I will cause in her. I now understand that MY loving her is the source of her JOY, and I will FILL her life with joy! I will become not only the man I once was to her; I will be the man of her dreams! I will be all that she wants me to be and more. I will make her wish, my will. I will want only what she wants. I will take the very Love of God that HE has for her, immensely powerful, brilliant in intensity, and absolute in purity, and I will lavish it upon her with all of my heart, soul, strength, will, passion and time. I will realize that the purpose of my life is to make her happy. And, in fulfilling my purpose and making her happy, I will be filled with the grace of God and this will be my fulfillment. I will be filled full to the top, shaken down, patted on top, and heaped up again. My cup will run over, I will not be large enough to contain all that has been given to me to share. What spills over will benefit all those whom encounter me. I promise God that with His help and guidance, I will become the best lover of my wife, father to my children, and friend of man that I can be. I will persist until I succeed.

Amen (I agree.)

I'm going to hit the sack and read your book a bit.

Goodnight. Pleasant dreams.

P.S. spellcheck is a good thing!

HEY! 'spell check" is TWO DIFFERENT WORDS! (Update your spellchecker – pun intended!)

May God grant you peace, joy, and fill your heart with love.

Peniel G.G.G.

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Submitted: Mon, Apr 05, 2004 11:03 pm
Subject: Re: Marital problems

Hey Peniel

Thanks for the response...wow, you must type a hundred miles an hour!

How amazing that Jesus-through you-replied and has started teaching me on how to love properly! There is so much to learn. I have found already that I have been selfishly withholding my intense love for my wife and have been slowly allowing myself to show my love for my beautiful sweet wife Ann. Even though I realize that it may take a while to undo the years of harm I done by withholding my love to Ann, I will persist until I succeed! Thank you Jesus, and please continue to teach me how to love.

Thank you for the beautiful prayer as well! I've printed it out and will read it daily.

As far as the BCC thing- that's OK with me.

In regard to the questions asked in the discussion, it's more of a deluxe combo platter that has been the result of our problems. First, as, I stated, it has been my withholding of my love. Second, with my attempts to be a better person, I wore a mask to hide my true self-whom I did not like or have confidence in. Third, we have two beautiful but very emotionally challenging children. The youngest one has many characteristics in  , what is called in Dr. Ross W. Greene, Ph.D.'s book titled ‘The Explosive Child',  an “inflexible-Explosive child. The meltdowns experienced by this child are quite extreme. Fourth, at times we don't communicate ( and I continually to pray to Jesus to help me with this problem) verbally or bodily well. Remember, I'm a guy of few words. Lastly, throw in all the
distractions and troubles experienced in today's world and viola! PROBLEMS. And even though we work together, surprisingly enough, we get along together quite well -probably because we try to have an atmosphere of professionalism. We are going in two different directions at work anyway and don't see much of each other.

My glass is ALWAYS half full, and with the help of Jesus, it will always be that way and maybe someday overflow!

Here are some questions Peniel.

1) Adam & Eve: Who were they and did they really exist. I find that I have a hard time taking the Bible literally (except for the Gospel). With the proven scientific history of the world, the book of Genesis doesn't make sense to me. I do realize that I am but a simple human and to try to comprehend how and when God created everything would be impossible, but still, I'm curious.

2) As I discover who I am-my natural self-am I really this simple or is there a more complex guy somewhere hidden?

3) Mac or PC? I'm currently mac based but as a result of situations and problems at work I'm thinking of switching to PC. I know that this might be somewhat off-based, but I know your a computer guy and you might give me some insight.

Thanks, Dave

P.S. I got your book on Amazon.com

Submitted: Tue, Apr 06, 2004 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Marital Problems Discussion

BCC: KC, DC, JG, Biyn, DM, AP, TW, SH

Dave,

(Yours in red, mine in black and blue for emphasis):
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The group has been anxiously awaiting this email of yours, as this discussion on Marital Problems has become the most popular among the group. Also, it evidently has the most useful and beneficial information in it for all of them. (This is typical when Jesus Himself teaches from one of the old workshops He gave me.)

I too have anxiously awaited your response. I was hoping and praying that you would 'take it right' and not be scared away. It appears from your response that you do indeed 'take it right'.

God, I have so much I wish to share with you and Ann. You sound very much like my wife and I were back in 1979, before I learned how to love correctly. I hope that Jesus' lessons have already been helpful and that you will continue to use them.

I have no idea where this email is going to go today, but I feel excited at the possibilities.

You see, I enjoy discussing spirituality with people, and holiness, and the Nature of God and what He can and can't do, BUT, when someone like you opens up their heart and expresses their problems and troubles, THEN, are my gifts and talents really brought to bear. THIS is the real meat and potatoes of what God wants for me to do. I have healed many marriages in the past (or rather, Jesus has done so through me, as you so wisely recognized.) As a matter of a fact, I have seen couples that have been apart for many years and who expressed nothing but hatred and disgust for each other, eventually come back into a marriage and both learn to love each other (and tolerate each other) and they will soon celebrate their 40th anniversary. I do not ever remember two people that so hated each other, and had such bad and low opinions of each other, BUT, with the power and help God gave, they are together today, happy and loving, and there is little doubt that they shall ever part again, for once the Truth is grasped and accepted, it cannot ever be unlearned.

And you, Dave and Ann, I see reflecting so many today that hurt in their marriage. I heard the other day on the radio that here in my own home state of Oklahoma, 80 percent of the marriages performed in the year 2000 are now divorced. 80%! My God, how lightly we must take this most serious vow of our lives. How easily we toss away the one God has brought to us, for us; how offended He must be, and how angered.

Nevertheless, we have your marriage to heal. It is so simple, but not necessarily easy. It will be as hard as you both make it! But, the principles are simple and easy to grasp.

To you email first, then we will see where we have gotten.
Hey Peniel
Thanks for the response...wow, you must type a hundred miles an hour!
Actually, I don't type very well at all. But, when the spirit moves me, I will continue for hours. I never learned typing, and it is a true problem. I have to do a lot of editing and spell checking, and reviewing. But, the time spent in an email to you is of such great importance, I would spend vast amounts of time of it were required. This is a labor of love for me, and when I se someone open to the help that I can offer, nothing is more valuable or worthy of my time. I have many times literally ‘ached' for someone with problems that I could teach. I see all that I know, and all the talent He has given me for curing man's problems, and I feel so wasted sitting here dueling with other happy Christians or joining in a mutual sword-sharpening session… I want to do battle with the demons that have beset modern man and cause them such great harm – just as you allow me to with you!

How amazing that Jesus-through you-replied and has started teaching me on how to love properly! There is so much to learn.

Actually, I was quite surprised when He came into me and took over the discussion on Love. You see, I was given the great gift of casually conversations with Him at any time I wanted. I could just say, 'Dad, I love You. Let's talk about modern man's problems relating to marriage." And He would immediately respond and we would have a discussion, as long as I wanted, any time I wanted.

Alas, this wonderful gift was only to last thirteen years (which I was not aware of during that time, or I should have discussed much more and written more down.) From 1980 to 1993 I was allowed full casual conversations, at my convenience and desire. But, one day in 1993 when we were talking He informed me that this was going to be our last casual conversation, as the thirteen years had transpired. I was despondent, but accepting. Since then, we have talked on rare occasions, but rarely when I initiate them.

Now, I talk, He listens. That is of course the way it is for most persons. In my case, it is slightly different because I REALLY KNOW that He listens. He sometimes interjects something in my mind, on rare occasions, but I have not seen such ‘teaching' come from Him in years! It made me very high for days, and I am still not fully over the effects that His voice and words had on me. Ah, just like the good old days.

For this, I thank YOU most sincerely. I pray that He will continue, either personally or through me, to teach you (bowing to His will, naturally.)

And you are right, there is a lot to learn, but it is all quite simple, and once grasped it becomes so obvious to a person that they say, 'Yeah, that has GOT to be right!"

Also, the ultimate test is to apply the advice and see if the results are beneficial! I am certain that if you followed His advice, you will find many ways to use the vehicles of love and the levels of love to express your intense and pure love to your wife, IF you choose to.

I will teach you this; persistence is the key to success in all human endeavors. That which is easily accomplished is done in short order. That which takes a long time will ONLY be fully accomplished through perseverance.

If you promise yourself, 'This task is important to me. I will do this thing no matter how long it takes. I will do it or die trying!" then you shall surely accomplish it, for you will not die trying.

I have found already that I have been selfishly withholding my intense love for my wife and have been slowly allowing myself to show my love for my beautiful sweet wife Ann.

First of all, don't feel badly or blame yourself. Although you are responsible, you are NOT TO BLAME! You have never been properly taught how to love, so, how can you love properly? You have recognized that you have been selfish in withholding your love, and this is the first step to overcoming the problem; for who will overcome a problem if he does not admit and recognize it as a problem. I salute you for your courage and humility in this.

(Here it feels as if Jesus is very strongly present in my mind, guiding these words again.)

Let us examine more deeply about this ‘selfish withholding of love' which is at the heart of why your wife ‘feels' that you love is not as it was before. Let us ask some questions, and remember that EACH QUESTION usually implies the correct answer within itself.

1.) Why does your wife ‘feel' that the love you show her now is not the same quality or quantity that you used to show her, long ago.

As I said, the key to the answer is contained in the question. Is you wife incorrect in her ‘feelings'? I don't think so, for you have already admitted that your ‘expressions' of love toward her are not as they used to be.

OK, why have your expressions of love changed toward her? (Here is the key. If there is some reason, find it, change it, overcome it, and you ‘expressions' of love for her will return as they were before the ‘reason' that caused your love to change.)

Let us look in detail at this situation, to understand it more clearly. I must answer for you, as you are NOT here, but as I have seen this same situations in so many cases, I suspect that my insight regarding your answers will be close to the mark. IF not, we can correct and discuss details as time goes on.

Why has you love for her changed? It hasn't! OK, why does she feel it has? It is NOT the love you have for her that has changed, for that is still pure, strong and encompassing. The reason that I know it has NOT changed is I know that it is really God loving your wife through you, and His love for her has not changed. It is still strong, intense, pure, and encompassing.

All right, the love you have for her is not different, yet she does not ‘feel' loved like she did before. Is the answer that she is ‘misreading' the communication of love you are sending to her? Again, I do not think she is misreading or misunderstanding you. People are experts at reading another's emotional state. This ‘reading' of what another ‘feels' is greatly increased with time and familiarity. If your wife and you have spent a lot of time together, which you have, then I am quite sure that she can read you like an open book… probably much better than you can even read yourself.

OK, then the only remaining component is your ‘communications' of the love you have for her. HEREIN lies the root of this particular problem. You DO love her (you cannot help yourself – God has determined this.) Your love for her is powerful and pure, for it is God's love for her, not JUST yours. You do still love her just as much as ever, for she has not changed at all. So, the problem must be in your ‘expressions' of this love. This is where the defect lies.

So, let us restate the real problem: You do not show her the pure and intense love you have for her ‘correctly'. And this word ‘correctly' is key. I am certain that you still express the love you have for her, but I suspect that these expressions are ‘fewer in number' than they once were. They are also probably more ‘mild' or rather ‘lukewarm' than they used to be. And, they are probably only ‘half-hearted' attempts at expressing the powerful and intense love that you actually have for her.

OK, we know ‘what' is wrong. More details will help us more clearly understand, and give us greater power to overcome.

WHY? Why are your ‘expressions' of love lessened in quantity, quality, and intensity? Again, realize that a large part of it is that you have never been taught how to love another. You did not know the levels of love, the vehicles of love, or many other lessons we will eventually teach you. BUT, your loved her ‘better' before! Even without the knowledge and tools, you somehow managed to stumble through your loving her in a way at least acceptable and pleasing to her. I can tell you why: familiarity breeds contempt among humans. It doesn't HAVE to, but it usually does. How can it be, that this wonderful and beautiful 'Ann’, God-given and made to order ‘just for you', the very object of your every desire and fulfillment of your very life, source of all of your joy… how is it that you could harden your heart against her?

And again, in the question is the answer. You couldn't! If she is the very source of your joy, then to ‘refuse to love her' would cause your own joy to lessen or stop! I am certain that you have already experienced this, in some small measure. Since she is your very conduit to happiness, if you don't love her, then you will turn down the valve of joy that she is for you. You will NOT enjoy life as you did back when you loved her ‘more'. Did you not see this relationship between your loving of her, and her level of joy and peace in her life? And, if she is not joyous and peaceful, will not this decrease in her emotional level not also affect the spigot of joy that she is for you, for if she is not happy, YOU will not be happy! Your marriage has intertwined both your personalities and your lives, such that what effects one, filters down to the other. You love of her creates the joy she experiences in life. The level of joy she experiences is the wellspring from which your fulfillment comes. If you turn down the level of joy she has in life, how unwilling will she then be to show you pure and intense love, for she does not ‘feel' loving or loved!

It is only natural for humans to refrain from showing intense and pure love to those whom only love us with ‘lukewarm', limited, tainted, selfish love, for why should WE love them with intensity and purity when all that we receive in return is a casual and mediocre response.

Back to WHY? Why is your ‘communications' of love to her now so diminished? Well, one reason, you did not have the knowledge and tools for even the basics of loving another. Now, you have them. Another reason, you became lazy. It is time-consuming and requires effort to show another love that is pure and intense. A third reason, you allowed yourself to be deceived! And this third reason starts a snowball effect that usually grows, picks up speed, and ends in hatred and divorce.

What can kill love? Nothing. What does love need? Only to be expressed. What does love desire? Only the good and joy of that loved.

In your case, there is a thief. This thief does not want you to be happy, in a good relationship with your wife and kids. For this brings your life joy, fulfillment and peace. In this sate, like that of a natural child, you love God for the good life He has given you. That is: you Acknowledge Him, you Accept Him, you Appreciate Him, you Admire Him, and possibly even Adore Him. This is just what this thief does NOT want. He will do everything in his power to prevent, reduce, or pervert this.

He has power to tell you things. He has power to put thought into your mind. He can insinuate, and instigate, and invent. He told you that your wife was not as good as she once was, for look at all of the faults she has. He pointed out her idiosyncrasies and caused you to be irritated and focus upon them. This reduced her ‘greatness' in your mind. She was once ‘great' for your love for her is great. You almost could not even see any faults in her, way back then. BUT NOW, she is so full of faults, and they are so irritating to you. How could you have been so blind before?

I'll tell you how, LOVE! Love, real love, God's love, does not see fault in the loved. Love is kind, patient, and long-suffering. Love will hardly even recognize when its beloved has wronged it. Love is enduring. Love seeks only the benefit and happiness of its beloved. Love is engrossed by its beloved, and wants only to possess and be with its beloved.

So, this is how your love for her WAS. God's love. But your ‘current expressions' of love are so far from what they used to be. And with good reason, so the liar and thief tells you.

But, he is not only a thief, wanting to steal your joy, fulfillment and love of God, he is also a liar. He tells you some truth, BUT distorts it just enough to make it sound true, and convincing. Understand that it is NOT entirely your fault, for there are powers that are bent on your personal ruin that will do everything they can to hinder you. You think to yourself, 'If I have these thoughts that my wife is not as good as she once was, there must be some truth to it, for this has come form me alone." BUT, this is not necessarily true. How could you, with God's own intense love, ever see these faults within Ann. I sincerely doubt that you would, because of God's intense love for her (and HE refuses to see these ‘faults' in her.) But, these demons that sometimes come into your mind, soul or personality NEVER come into God's presence. They could not stand it. So, they come into your mind and point out to you ‘actions' that Ann does that would perhaps be irritating to your personality. Once the find something, anything that affects you in the slightest negative way, they focus your attention on it; magnify it in your mind. They expand on it and find other similar ‘actions' that she does, and over time, this snowball effect is that you begin to ‘REFUSE TO SHOW HER THE INTENSE AND PURE LOVE YOU HAVE FOR HER'.

There is a reason for this. One of the ‘rules of love' is this: ONLY that which is ‘good' is worthy of love, and only that which is good CAN be loved.

Since you have accepted these demons lies, you now believe (falsely) that your wife is not ALL-GOOD, and therefore, she is not worthy of ALL your love. Not as purely, and intensely as you once gave her, for she is no longer as good as she was. BUT, this is merely a misperception IN YOUR MIND only.

You have accepted more lies of this demon as follows: she is as she acts. Whatever she does is determined by who she is, and conversely, whatever she does must be who she is. Since there are things that she does that are not perfect, she is less than perfect. Since there are things that she does that are wrong, how can she be as great as you mistakenly used to believe? Since there are things that she does that irritate you, she is obviously NOT the perfect choice for you; there are defects in her. Look at how often and how many ways she disappoints you, doesn't live up to your expectations of how she should be, how she should act, how she should talk. Look at how she has restricted your freedom. Look at how she has tied you down. Think of all that you could have done and been if she hadn't interfered and stifled you. Look at how confined and imprisoned you are in this marriage, if you could only be FREE, then you could do as you please, and not have to listen to her constant whining and complaining and putting you down.

As these thoughts continue, and compound, and become more prevalent in your mind, you become more susceptible to them, the snowball grows, love is now withheld, and the actions of love you used to show are lessened, both in frequency and intensity and purity. You feel justified in this, for you cannot love what is not good, and she has become ‘less good' that she was. The snowball becomes a huge mountain of snow, crushing anything in its path. The sheer volume and speed of this monster becomes self-feeding, self-renewing, self-empowering. Love that was in you is now refused to be shown. And if love’s only need (to be expressed) is not met, eventually Love will LEAVE YOU, and leave you cold towards what it once loved through you!

But let us examine some of this in the light of truth, and expose this demons lies. Ann is NOT her actions! If she is one minute washing dishes, and another minute designing a sign, she is NOT changed at all. She is still just exactly, and completely, ANN. God made Ann. God does not make junk! Nothing that God makes is bad, wrong or evil. Everything that God makes is perfect, and perfect for its purpose. Even when Ann does something ‘incorrect' or ‘wrong' or ‘offensive to God' or irritating to Dave, Ann is still Ann, and is in no way changed by what she does. Realize this truth, a person is who they are, whom God made them to be, and this is unchangeable, immutable, and in no way effected by their own or anyone else’s actions. You should love Ann because she is ANN, and for no other reasons.

Also, the Love God has for Ann is in no way lessened regardless of her actions, for He loves her for who she is, always. Who is hse? She is the exact match for Dave, a pure and loving spirit, a perfect being. How is it that God is willing and desirous to love Ann with such pure and intense love and Dave is not? Obviously, Dave is wrong-minded. For if Dave and God differ in their opinions about Ann and her deservedness of pure and intense love, it is surely Dave with the incorrect ideas. This is perfectly understandable; for Dave is accosted by demons attempting to destroy his joy, fulfillment, love of wife, family and God and bent on his ultimate downfall. God is not beset by such demons. Dave is limited in both his knowledge and understanding of love, and God is not. Dave should therefore take his queue from God, and IMITATE what He would do. Dave should ask himself, “what would Jesus do if her were here in my shoes right now?" and then Dave should do as he knows Jesus would do.

(Here, it became obvious that Jesus is talking, so my ‘tenses' will switch to His – thank you Jesus for continuing!)

You have accepted as true in your mind (believed) that Ann is no longer ‘perfect' but I tell you, perfection does not lie in actions. Perfection lies in capacity and capability. I assure you, Ann is PERFECT! She still has the capacity and capability to do everything I have destined for her to do. She is capable and willing to love you with intensity and purity, in fact, she want to do this more than anything else. BUT, you have pushed her far away, and you hold her now at arms-length, not allowing her to be ‘close' with you. Why have you believed these lies of the demons? Again, I understand you. Be at peace! Be calm. I know all of your troubles, and their cures. Listen as I show you, once again, how to overcome these demons and return to the pure, innocent love that I give you for your wife.

Verk Tseykhn, I love you! I have loved you from the day I created you. I have made you and your wife as sweet flowers for my beautiful garden, and I have given each of you a very deep and special love for each other. I have done this in order to show those around you how wonderful the Lord God is, and just how intense and pervasive the mutual love of a married couple can be. Have you not always know this! Have you not sensed deep in your heart that your love of her, and her towards you, was something special in this unloving and uncaring world. I wish for you two to show the world just how powerful and deep a couples love can go. And how is it that I have arranged this? I have sent unto you both a terrible burden to bear, a burden that few others must share. I have destined that if you will each allow me to communicate my deep love for each other and your children, the world will see in this what power love has. This pure and intense love will not only improve your lives, it will transform the very ‘problem' and challenge I have sent unto you into a blessing in disguise.

I realize that many times you see this as merely a burden, but, in reality I have meant it as a challenge for your mutual love to overcome. The transformation of this burden into a blessing can only come from the intense and mutual love I have given both you and Ann. Do you not see the connection? What is a burden now, with intense love, will blossom into a blessing! Only My love can transform this situation, and turn what you now see as a problem into a prayer, and a liability into an asset!

Yet, until you both grow and become willing to express this intense love I give you each for the other, no miracle can occur. The problem will remain, the liability will grow. Pleas do not miss this wonderful opportunity I have given you both, love each other intensely, return to that childlike and simple love I gave each of you. If you do not know how, ask and I will teach you. If you feel you cannot go on, pray and I will give you strength. I will never test you beyond your strength, if you pray and ask My assistance. Come back to me, both of you, and let me love each of you through the other. My burden is so light, and my rewards are so ample.

What do you care what others think, if you love each other and your family, and if you are joyous and peaceful? What does it matter what happens around you, if you will always have the other to rely on and to love you in those hard times. Realize that in this short life, ONLY Loving Me, your God, is worthy of your time and effort, and I say this to both of you, 'Love ME through loving the other." Do this and I will shower your with grace and bless you and your family and your work and everyone whom comes in touch with you. Become the super-lovers that I have destined you for, show the world just how loving two people can be, even while staring in the face of such adversity and difficulty. And when you have returned to Me and My love for each other, tell others the source of your joy and pleasure. When I transform your trouble into treasure, tell others that I have done this great thing, for I love YOU!

Even though I realize that it may take a while to undo the years of harm I done by withholding my love to Ann, I will persist until I succeed!

Verk, if you were truly willing and open, you could fix your relationship in a day. But, it appears that you are going to make it a long journey! No matter, we will walk together and I will be your steady hand. The first step is to stop hurting her. Look closely at any negative or unloving actions or feelings that you have toward her and realize that I do not feel that way toward her, and that I would not act that way toward her. Become an Imitation of Christ. Ask yourself, what would Jesus do at this point in my life, and then rather that treating her unkindly, love her as you know I would! So, another principle to guide your actions into more loving actions toward Ann, when you feel badly or negative toward her, or when you are in doubt as to what to do, do as you know I would do in your shoes (for you know how loving I am toward Ann.)

Thank you Jesus, and please continue to teach me how to love.
My beloved son, Verk, I have so longed to touch you, to hold you, to teach you, to show you. Please continue on this path, let me walk with you and bear you through the difficult times, and share with me the joy of the good times. REMEMBER, for YOU, ANN is I! If you have doubts, ask ME about them (ask ANN!) If you feel joyous about something, share it with ME (share it with ANN!) Begin to view ANN as Jesus Christ incarnate, and you will surely begin to love her as she deserves.

Do you not know that I am within her? I live within every person. And for you, Verk, I am especially present in Ann. Do not forget your final judgment, and what I will ask you regarding your actions toward Ann. Remember this, for you, SHE is I! And therefore, you should wisely treat her as you would Myself.

Thank you for the beautiful prayer as well! I have printed it out and will read it daily.
Verk, I gave Peniel that prayer for you, and for a time, if you read it daily, and take the words to heart, and put your heart in action, it will surely change you into the man you should be. In addition, seek me directly, pray to Me often, especially in you times of troubles and temptations. Come to me and discuss your problems, concerns, and desires (come to Ann and seeing her as I, express all that you would to me to her!) I will surely hear you, and I will surely help you, for I surely LOVE you.

I have given you enough to digest for one session again, so I will now turn control back over to Peniel. Remember, I love you! Please return my intense and pure love by loving Ann and I will give you strength and grace.

Peace be on you.

(Peniel returns.)

WOW! Again, I am as high as an eagle in flight, thank you Dave (from now on called by your true name: Verk Tseykhn. (P.S. I have seen Him give many people their ‘true names' before, and they are almost always Greek, Hebrew, Yiddish, or the like. I am unsure of the proper spelling or pronunciation of this name, but if you ever find out what it means, as I eventually did with my name: Peniel, it should make some sense to you.)

I suspect that the ‘pronunciation' is probably as follows:

Verk (just like ‘jerk' with a standard ‘v' in front, like ‘v'ery instead of the 'j" in jerk.)

Tseykhn - (two syllables: Tsey (pronounced, I suspect, like the ‘psy' in ‘psychology' only with a slight ‘t' sound instead of the ‘p'

khn (pronounced very like ‘kin' as in this child is both my kid and kin.)

As far as the BCC thing- that's OK with me.
Good, because EVERYONE is getting a lot of great things out of this discussion!

In regard to the questions asked in the discussion, it's more of a deluxe combo platter that has been the result of our problems. First, as, I stated, it has been my withholding of my love.

I am glad you see this. I suspect that Jesus' dissertation above should be very useful to you at this point. (I hope in the future there will be lots more! Make sure you keep asking questions and telling us about your problems – that seems to trigger Jesus sometimes.)

Second, with my attempts to be a better person, I wore a mask to hide my true self-whom I did not like or have confidence in.

I can't wait to get some of the workshops and seminars scanned in so you can look through them, they will be very helpful to you, I suspect. I believe there is a long dissertation in one of the workshops on these /masks/ we all wear, how we get them, what they do to us, and how they affect us. I will wee if I can find it and get it scanned in soon for you. If not, and if it is an important issue for you, I will jump up on my spiritual soapbox and run a lengthy discourse on what I have been taught about it. I would love to go into a long dissertation about these masks we wear, and how we become phony, but, perhaps later.

Third, we have two beautiful but very emotionally challenging children. The youngest one has many characteristics in, what is called in Dr. Ross W. Greene, Ph.D.'s book titled ‘The Explosive Child', an ‘inflexible-Explosive child. The meltdowns experienced by this child are quite extreme.

I have never heard of this, but from what I am told, I strongly suspect that this is what Jesus was referring to as your ‘burden' that will become a ‘blessing' through your marriages intense love? I am unclear, but I suspect Jesus words will hit home with you and you will probably understand what He means by that? If this is purely a ‘psychological' and ‘emotional' and not a ‘physical' thing, then I strongly suspect I understand how Jesus will transform it. If it is, or caused by, or stems from a ‘physical' condition, then perhaps I have missed the mark.

Fourth, at times we don't communicate (and I continually to pray to Jesus to help me with this problem) verbally or bodily well. Remember, I'm a guy of few words.

Let me give you some more good advice here. The proper formula for prayer for you should be threefold: 1.) Pray as if everything depended upon God, for it does; 2.) ACT as if everything depended upon YOU, for it does; 3.) Talk, discuss, express, clarify, identify, and work out EVERYTHING you are praying about directly with Your Personal Jesus (Ann)! Always include her, use her as a sounding board, listen carefully to her input and advice, and REALIZE just from WHERE this is coming. I am serious, the more you will see her and treat her as Jesus Himself, the more correct you will love and treat her. I mean even when she tells you something, strongly accept that this message she is giving to you is from JESUS Himself!

I have done this with my sweet wife, Gail, for many years, and I have found this simple tool to be MOST useful in aligning my relationship and love for and to her. FOR, she both contains Jesus within her, and – especially for me – she IS JESUS! Follow in my footsteps on this one, Verk, and you will make rapid progress.

Also, there is a complete workshop on communication, again, I will not recount it here. Let me give you a little instructions about communication.

ALL relationships are BASED on communications. What do we communicate? Ourselves. It is all that we can communicate, for it is all that we have. I am supposed to communicate my ‘self' to the other, in order that the other will have a clearer and more perfect understanding of ‘who I think I am'. The problem? Twofold: 1.) Lack of tools and understanding as to how to properly communicate; 2.) The communicate of an improper ‘self'.

Just as you said, we wear masks. We wear them in hopes that this ‘clown' we have made up will be more ‘loved' by the other (more: acknowledged, accepted, admired, appreciated, and adored.) We mistakenly feel that if we show the other out ‘true' self, that this would not be as ‘lovable' (see 5 a's) as the phony mask we have made up. Therefore, what we ‘express' to the other about ‘ourself' is NOT our ‘true' self, but a mask, a phony, a clown for others amusement.

This issue #2 has a terrible consequence. If the other ‘loves' (see 5 a's) this proposed clown, it does the real you NO GOOD! In fact, it cause the real you harm.

Analogy time: a man whom had just seen the movie approached the actor whom played Gandhi. 'Oh Gandhi, man I really dig your message of peace! And I absolutely adore you for how you have non-violently fought the battles you have! I love you, man!" The actor then says, 'No sir, you don't understand. I am not Gandhi, that was just a role I played." 'Oh!" says the man, whom begins to now walk away in apparent uninterestedness. 'BUT WAIT!" The actor shouts, 'what about ME?" to which the man coldly states, 'I don't know you."

We CANNOT love, what we do not know. The less we know about someone, the less is our ability to love him or her. The less ‘correctly' or ‘accurately' we know someone, the more incorrect and impure and improper our loving attempts toward him or her will be. Remember, LOVE does only 2 things: takes care of the needs of, and gives joy to what it loves!

If you have told me that you need monkeys, when in fact you really need cats, I will give to you the wrong things, in my attempt to love you. If you tell me that kites make you happy, when in reality cups make you happy, I will shower you with kites. You will get no cups, you will get no cats. You will be neither taken care of or happy, for you have shown to me a clown that is not the real you. When I love this ‘mask' you have created, it will do you no good, not make you happy. In fact, my willingness to love this false image to you is further proof that the real you is possibly unlovable by me, and will cause you to strengthen your masks.

In the fact that I cannot now know you, for you have given me a false impression and conveyed what is ‘not-you' as being you, if I do love what you have shown me, you will feel all the worse for it. Your needs will go unfulfilled, your joy will remain at a low level, and you will feel unloved and unlovable.

ONLY when you are willing to step out from behind your walls and defenses, and show me the truth about you, your true self, naked and afraid, scared of rejection and fearful of others, only then can I truly love you – for this now is truly YOU.

Do not be the actor playing Gandhi, for your fans will love Gandhi and ignore you. You will not be happy that they love Gandhi, you will detest Gandhi and you will blame the other for your unhappiness. BE YOURSELF, and the love others express to you will be to your benefit.

Lastly, throw in all the distractions and troubles experienced in today's world and viola! PROBLEMS.

I don't agree. Jesus has taught me better. Not PROBLEMS, not really: CHALLENGES! Opportunities to show how strong is our love, faith, perseverance, or something. If God made our lives a beautiful peaceful enjoyable continuum of pleasurable experiences each one followed by another, in what ways could we grow? In what ways could we accept a cross and say, 'I too, Lord, will walk this same road to Golgotha for those around me whom need my love and support." Do you not see that the greatest love can only be expressed through pain, suffering and personal sacrifice. Sure, it is easy to love the other when the other is kind, good, loving, well-behaved, innocent, pure, and holy. But what merit is there in that? Even the worst of people love those whom are pleasing and good to them. No, those whom God favors is the man whom continues to love the other when the other is a challenge to love. Accept the challenges that God so graciously ALLOWS us to endure, in an attempt to grow, and show Him and those around us how strong and pure is our love.

And even though we work together, surprisingly enough, we get along together quite well -probably because we try to have an atmosphere of professionalism. We are going in two different directions at work anyway and don't see much of each other.
I was sure you were going to say that. With the intense love God has said he has given each of you for the other, He had probably arranged for you two to spend lots of time together. In this situation, He would probably have given you a proclivity towards being able to be with each other a lot and often without the issues and problems that a ‘typical' couple, nit so blessed, would normally experience.

My glass is ALWAYS half full, and with the help of Jesus, it will always be that way and maybe someday overflow!
In time, we will surely fill your glass full and overflowing.

Here are some questions Peniel.

1) Adam & Eve: Who were they and did they really exist. I find that I have a hard time taking the Bible literally (except for the Gospel). With the proven scientific history of the world, the book of Genesis doesn't make sense to me. I do realize that I am but a simple human and to try to comprehend how and when God created everything would be impossible, but still, I'm curious.
Let me first recommend to you the Mesopotamian story titled 'Gilgamesh". I recommend you search for it on the Internet, find the story, and read it entirely. Then go back and read Genesis 1:1 through the first couple of chapters of Genesis. This will make a new and excellent spiritual discussion for all, ALTHOUGH I wish to continue and concentrate on your marital issues first and foremost!

Some bible basics that we should discuss before we get much into such an enigmatic story as Adam & Eve.

1.) What is the ‘purpose' of the bible?

2.) What was the primary reason for the writings (and gathering together into a book) of the Old Testament?

3.) Same question regarding the New Testament?

4.) Is the bible historically accurate?

5.) I the bible absolutely and literally and historically and in every aspect and respect true and accurate?

6.) What are we intended to ‘get' from the old and new testaments?

7.) If there are questions regarding what a passage, word, story, etc. means, whom is ‘supposed' to determine the true meaning of it (if anyone)?

8.) Under what circumstances should we ‘disaccept' what we have read and interpreted from the bible?

9.) Is the bible truly ‘inspired' by God.

10.) If so, what does that imply / mean regarding it?

I will not go into another long dissertation here about the bible, perhaps later. Since we are discussing generalities regarding Adam and Eve, let me at least say this about it.

The story of Adam and Eve was written in order to both teach the Jewish people about how everything (as they understood it to be) and to provide some moral lessons for their betterment / guidance. The early part of Genesis that contains the story of Adam and Eve fulfills both of these points. It ‘does not have to be' historically accurate, and probably is not. It is a ‘STORY'. As a story, to convey a moral principle, it is not held within the confines of ‘historical accuracy' as we would expect from, lets say, the biography of George Washington.

In addition, the story is there to ‘give an explanation for' the origins of everything that they knew about, and in such a way as was acceptable to their world view. (For example, they did not know about the true nature of the ‘heavens' being that space is vast and full of burning stars and hence, both their ‘explanation of' and ‘understanding of' the origins and current view of the ‘heavens' is very different than we would have understood it today.) They believed that the heavens were a large inverted bowl, over the sky, with holes in it, that light shined through (the stars) and above it was water that sometimes fell through the holes (rain). With this ‘accepted' view, both the explanation of and current belief about ‘the heavens' was obviously greatly influenced by that time's view.

So, the story of Adam and Eve would have to explain how the water got above the bowl of the heavens to them. To us, if written today, the story might read quite differently.

Also, the world-view that man is ‘different' from all other animals, and therefore, there had to be an explanation of where did our ‘original' parents come from, how did they get here, etc. There were also included explanations of Satan, original innocence, original sin, paradise, etc.

Now, what I have found personally that is astonishing is that, with such a limited ‘world-view' of truth that they had in the time of this books writing, and, while ‘borrowing' a story-line from a well known Mesopotamian fable, what Genesis proposes in the Adam and Eve story is astoundingly accurate, both historically, factually, and probably in reality. The writer must have been outstandingly inspired to pick JUST the right words to both satisfy their limited understanding satisfactorily, BUT also reserve to us in an advanced technological age, great depth of information and considerations. As an example, the book says that God took the SLIME of the earth and molded it into man. If you consider the reality of first-life formation here on earth, it was slime. This slime eventually became every other life form, including man! Amazing that it was portrayed this way, acceptable to them, but also ‘accurate' in its delivery.

Now a brief word about 'Eve". Anyone who watches Discovery Channel has probably heard of the African woman whom lived about 150 thousand years ago, whom genetically has been proven to be the mother of every human being on earth today. With such a long history of man and wide range of our ancestors, the ‘consideration' that all of the living humans today descended from one person from about that time is almost inconceivable! The odds of it happening would be astronomical! YET, this is the truth of it, and the truth of it as we have now discovered fits extremely well with the ‘historical' version of Adam and Eve. I find this amazing!

Enough for now, let us continue this one in our general discussion about Genesis.

2) As I discover who I am-my natural self-am I really this simple or is there a more complex guy somewhere hidden?
Your natural self is that same child you were at about age 5 or 6. Innocent and loving, kind and needy. As that child grew beyond that age, you began piling on masks and clown suits and phoniness. To return to yourself, you will have to return to that child you were. (More on this later.)

3) Mac or PC? I'm currently Mac based but as a result of situations and problems at work I'm thinking of switching to PC. I know that this might be somewhat off-based, but I know you're a computer guy and you might give me some insight.

I am a CNE, an MCSE, and an SSE. I have been into computers since 1974. I have several engineering degrees in computers.

Trust me, PC.

In short reasoning, a computer is merely as good as the wealth of programs that are available for it. PCs have a huge market share compared to the MAC. They are both good systems, but, for the money, the PC is superior because the software is a broader choice.

In reality, Sun and UNIX is by far a much better choice for power, flexibility, and all around goodness. BUT, again, with such a small amount of and expense of the software available for it, again, PCs are the obvious best choice.

There are also not several companies producing ‘clone' MACs or CLONE UNIX systems. Without this competition, the price and value of the monopolized systems is put into a difficult category. With this also in mind, the PC choice again wins out overall.

‘Nuff said.

Peniel G.G.G.

Submitted: Wed, Apr 14, 2004 2:03 pm
Subject: The last few NON-CCd emails

Dave,

The last email to you was NOT CCd, but, there was so much wonderful instructions from Jesus in it, beneficial to others, that I would like to somehow make that available to others in the archives.

I would be willing to rework the whole thing, taking out all references to Dave, Ann, etc. and make it more of just a 'dissertation' of Jesus on 'marital problems' in general, and perhaps put it in a separate archive if needed.

I just hate to have such powerful words, useful to others, lost to others.

Let me know, and if you have 'qualms' about it, I could even let you 'preview' and 'approve' the modifications, if you feel the need to.

If you insist, I will leave it completely hidden. I am certain that, knowing me, you understand that my motives are only for the good of the many.

Peniel G.G.G.

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